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Thomas Asbury
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11/8/2024 8:36 AM
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Very helpful guidance, thank you.
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Christopher Dehart
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11/7/2024 10:41 AM
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I recommend less holes in the sail . a pad eye and a cheek block at the boom end led to a cleat on the STBD side mid boom will allow you to reef close hauled or hove to on a STBD tack. place the pad eye a bit further than reef 1 to allow for proper foot tension. A single line from pad eye through a dogbone at the leach and through that cheek block to the cleat. the tack can be clipped or tied at the gooseneck. it takes less than a minute to reef this way and you never loose your privilege.
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Steve Wnuk
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11/7/2024 12:18 AM
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I wrap reefing lines around the boom capturing excess sail material under reefing lines on side of boom. No slits in my boltrope-footed mainsail. Have not noticed any chaffing or unusual sail wear.
Steve Ensign 947 Sriracha
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Thomas Asbury
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11/6/2024 9:50 PM
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So, I am moving ahead with installing a set of reef points in the mainsail which will reduce square footage by about 18-20%. Bacon Sails of Annapolis is doing the work. Still working on final details, but in discussion of the sail setup they've asked me: "Do you plan to have the reef line come down and go to blocks or other hardware on the sides of the boom or do you intend to tie the end around the boom? Because your sail has a boltrope on the foot, if you plan to tie the reef line around the boom we need to install a reinforced slit above the bolt rope for the line to pass through."
Any thoughts on adding the slit or best to tie off the reef line on blocks/hardware at the aft end of the boom? If block/hardware, any recommendations on set up? Thinking is also that they'll add several reinforced slits just above the boltrope along the boom to gather and tie down the sail while reefed. Again, necessary given the boltrope.
Appreciate the thoughts and comments.
Tad Asbury Yonder #1515
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Christopher Dehart
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9/24/2024 11:16 PM
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1149 Puffin has a new mainsail that was made by The Irish Sail Lady here in Saint Augustine .It is loose footed with two reef points. I agree with Zeke about sailing without a reef under a #2 head sail or jib for myself .however one reef is great in 15 knots for novice sailors or two very light sailors.I hardly use reef two because the tide here makes it choppy and even sailing upright we get wet with spray. I have a small dyneema line with a clip attached to the tack ring that allows the tack of reef one or two to be attached instantly reefing can be accomplished hove to or close hauled on a stbd tack with ease while keeping our privilege.
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Christopher Dehart
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9/24/2024 9:34 PM
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Adam Koller
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9/23/2024 7:59 AM
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All of the Milwaukee sailing center and a Minneapolis sailing center Ensigns have single reef mains.
Milwaukee now runs both a blade and a larger jib.
It is common to sail reefed with a blade jib In Milwaukee and I wish my personal boat on Peconic Bay had a reefing main. It is typical to get 15-25 mph on summer days and the boat sails great with less canvas.
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Steve Wnuk
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9/21/2024 10:14 PM
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I have two mainsails with reef points in my current inventory.
The first mainsail has reef points located about 41-inches above the foot. I estimate the reef removes approximately 38 sq-ft of sail, or roughly 25% of total sail area. This seems consistent with info Robert posted earlier.
The second mainsail has reef points located about 34-inches above the foot. This corresponds to removing approximately 32 sq-ft of sail, or roughly 20% of total sail area. This is the mainsail we used a few weeks back. It was bought as part of a sail-set package; and I believe the sailmaker selected the reef point location to work with the #2 Genoa.
Hopefully this information is useful for comparative purposes. I'd recommend consulting with a sailmaker to tailor for your particular needs/application. If you pursue, I'd be interested to learn how things turn out (both in making the mod, and in how it performs).
Good luck!! Steve Wnuk Sriracha 947
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Symantha Gates
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9/21/2024 11:52 AM
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Mid day sailing on Buzzard's Bay (Mattapoisett) can be very intense - and with just two in the boat, the blade jib and a reefed main allow us to get out on the water rather than sitting on the dock. Our main has grommet type reef points and we use 1" sail ties through the grommets. With a few half hitches, the day can still be enjoyable, though splashy. We generally hold back when there are white caps in the harbor - that's just our personal limit. Usually by 3pm the wind is beginning to soften a bit and with long summer days, we can still get out for a few hours.
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John Burnap
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9/21/2024 8:06 AM
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Robert Panico
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9/21/2024 7:46 AM
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Nick brought up an interesting comment about the end boom sheeting on the original design. Is it also true that the original Ensign design did not have as large of #1 genoa as we sail with today? I have heard that the fleets on the north shore of Long Island - that get little wind in the summer - asked for more sail?
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Nicholas Lubar
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9/21/2024 7:28 AM
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I lean towards having reef points for certain sailing conditions and certain situations - basically those described by others already. The reef lowers the center of effort and dramatically reduces heeling.
We should remember that the original design intentionally had an end of boom mainsheet attachment so that the sail could be roller reefed. At the time, CCA boats all relied on reefing and smaller jibs to handle heavier conditions. The Ensign was designed in that vein.
While I would rarely use a reef, there are times when it would be welcome. My plan is to take an older main that is in need of repair and to have a single reef built in. As for the question about where the reef point should be, I would suggest that it be a little below the lowest batten - not sure how many inches.
Nick Lubar Ensign #1556 Fleet #29 Cleveland, Ohio
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Thomas Asbury
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9/20/2024 6:26 PM
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Thanks all this is very helpful. I'm a member of fleet, 84, established in 2020. We're on Little Traverse Bay, Lake Michigan where August winds kick up into the mid to upper teens and 1-3 ft waves regularly. Fantastic sailing conditions, but a reef in the main will make the pleasure sailing, sometimes with less experienced crew, easier for sure. (If and when (hopefully) we start racing, guess I'll just need to buy a new non-reefed main!)
For those who have installed the reef points, it is best placed at about 12 inches? 16 inches? above the foot of the sail? Tad
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James Knape
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9/20/2024 9:21 AM
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I have raced Ensigns over 40 years. I sure wish we had reefs required in the class rules. There have been many occasions where racing was canceled due to high winds. Yet if we had a deep reef available in the main we could have safely sailed. My take is rules should prescribe all sales to have the same size reef. And if the wind is too high the RC requires all boats to reef. That way it's still one design . It's a shame to travel to a regatta and even local local races and loose time on the water to too much wind. Plus the huge benefit for day sailing . Carrying 3 different sizes of jibs and the effort to change them is a pain in the arse. As well as being dangerous to do on the water in certain situations. Reefing is a far better cost effective option to sail in heavy air We should only allow two head sails the 1 and 3. That's my two cents Jim Knape
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Doug Hanks
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9/20/2024 8:53 AM
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Such a plus with guests. Agree. I use my reefing in Miami quite a bit.
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John Burnap
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9/20/2024 8:43 AM
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We race PHRF in Narragansett Bay/ RI at RIYC and sail our boat #1633 for fun in the bay as well, often single handed or with two, while we race with four. Not uncommon to have some gusty days over 18knots where we felt overpowered especially
when just cruising, so we ordered our new main from Thurston/ Quantum Sails in Bristol RI with reef points for a first reef (tack, clew, bunt lines). We've started a race or two with the reef in and then shook it out as evening winds diminished (common here)
but we particularly love the reef for cruising days with guests.
John
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Robert Panico
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9/20/2024 7:05 AM
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We use an Ensign for sailing lessons at our club. We are on the Great South Bay of Long Island and 15+ is very common. I recently had a discussion with the sailing instructor who uses the boat and we are going to add a set of reef points to one of the mains. Even though we use a Blade jib for instruction, they are still overpowered. Also the crew weight with young students is not enough to hold the boat down. We are also looking into lazy jacks to make the instructors job a little easier. A local sailmaker, familiar with the Ensign, said the location of the reef points would reduce the sail area approx. 24%.
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Steve Wnuk
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9/20/2024 1:43 AM
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I can relate to your inquiry. Several years ago I was introduced to reefing Ensign mains while crewing as a guest at the Milwaukee Community Sailing Center. They used a jiffy reef procedure. I was impressed with how well the reefed-main boats handled in really stiff breeze.
Yet many of the mains in our fleet don’t even have reef points. I recently purchased a new main from a well-known national brand and specified reef points. The order was accepted without comment/modification, but the sail arrived without reef points. So, I asked a local rep/sailmaker to install them. He declined, stating (in short) the sail was optimized for racing, and that installing reef points would compromise some of its performance characteristics. I didn’t insist and now in high winds we generally sail with full main and #2 Genoa.
Roughly two weeks ago our local winds kicked up to the 15-20 kt range, a SCA was issued, and sail racing was curtailed for our fleet. Rather than go home, we rigged and reefed an older mainsail, hanked on the #2 genoa, and went out to see what we could do sailing JAM. Despite the conditions, it was a very comfortable outing. Heel remained reasonable, the boat handled very well and was easy to manage. Boat speed was respectable both up and down wind, often at 5-6 kts. On many points of sail, I found I could release the tiller and have crew steer by sails alone. Maybe we just don’t have the right skill set, but we simply can’t do that (steer by sails alone under high wind conditions) with full main and # 2 genoa sail combination.
I’m a fan of reefed-main/#2 Genoa combination under high wind conditions. I suppose it’s not competitive for racing, yet it’s comfortable and safe for times when cruising with family, are out with inexperienced crew, or simply don’t want to get punished by extreme conditions.
Steve Ensign 947
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Thomas Asbury
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9/19/2024 9:53 PM
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Vic Roberts
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9/19/2024 9:45 PM
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Tad, I can’t give pros and cons about reefing the main, but Section 8(G)(4) of ECA Rules Part II says this about reefing points: “Rows of reefing grommets (or tie lines) may be placed anywhere on the sail beyond a vertical distance of 12" from the boom. These shall be used exclusively for reefing purposes and never for tensioning purposes. Moreover, a partial reef is not allowed; if a reef is taken, it must be taken all the way to a row of grommets.” A copy of the Rules part II is attached. Vic Roberts
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